Curse

Olle · Aug 26, 2010, 02:59 PM // 14:59

OMG NO
NOT THIS AGAIN!!!!!
HB is >NEVER< comming back! Get over it!
why cant the admin just make threads with "HB"unable to be created.
/notsigned, for the 12chars'd time.

Missing HB · Aug 26, 2010, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Also, I don't know if you've heard, but the Krewe is in the middle of a Dervish update right now, set to move on to a Paragon update when that's all taken care of, GvG adjustments, and other behind the scenes projects. Implementing HB isn't as simple as re-inserting the code. Codex Arena now holds the place where HB once inhabited, heroes have been removed and blocked off from all PvP areas, and it's not like balance in HB was sooOOOOooo perfect that it wouldn't require various skill and AI adjustments. There are things on their plate to be dealt with, and HB isn't likely to be one of them any time soon. TA has a better chance, though still slim, in case you're wondering.

Ok , but then i would like to know if , after 1 year , you believe codex arena is better than Hero battles ( or even better than TA ). Looking at the numbers of players on it , i don't think so.

Aswell , you talk about game abuse which i recognize happened in some fights , but seriously , isnt farming hero title on dead hour on 1v1 , where blue team wins most of time , game abuse? isnt syncing RA game abuse?

Last point : that dervish update , will it change things in HA/GvG? i mean , will i be able to find players there at any hour thanks to it ?

Shayne Hawke · Aug 26, 2010, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Ok , but then i would like to know if , after 1 year , you believe codex arena is better than Hero battles ( or even better than TA ). Looking at the numbers of players on it , i don't think so.

I never did TA and I never was able to take Codex seriously. Couldn't tell you how good or bad those arenas were even if I tried. However, any opinion on Codex being a good installment to the game or not won't have any effect on whether HB should be brought back or not. Codex could introduce a bug that rolls accounts back to day one and it still wouldn't be a good argument for the return of HB.

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Aswell , you talk about game abuse which i recognize happened in some fights , but seriously , isnt farming hero title on dead hour on 1v1 , where blue team wins most of time , game abuse? isnt syncing RA game abuse?

Dead hours is just the nature of the game. That's not really any player's fault. Syncing is widely disputed, but until ANet hands me and a large crowd of other players bans for it for all the times we've done it for CB, DA, DvG, RA, and you-name-it-Arena, it's fair game in my book. If we want to lump it all together, sure, it's all one form of abuse or another. Dead hour farming and syncing though are in a gray area while Commander point farming, rank tanking, and tournament manipulation are all extremely transparent and can be nailed down to one player as a source. If you had to tackle one form of PvP abuse first, it would be the most apparent one to chase.

Olle · Aug 26, 2010, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Last point : that dervish update , will it change things in HA/GvG? i mean , will i be able to find players there at any hour thanks to it ?

We dont know yet, noone knows exept the live team

Missing HB · Aug 26, 2010, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Dead hours is just the nature of the game. That's not really any player's fault.

That's all the point. Nothing was done in those pvp arenas to avoid them from dying , or even to TRY to make them less more dead. If you count the numbers of content update in pvp ( or skill updates that made more players in one format ) from last 2 years , it will be less than numbers of fingers in one's hand. Adding codex was a nice try , but once again , nothing was done .

Thus, due to the inactivity in those formats , and the inability to find an opponent , or to even play at some hours ( especially GvG) , thats why people are asking for HB. At least , you will be able to find an opponent very fast , and you will be able to win ON YOUR OWN ( you mentionned RA , but we've discussed about it , no monk problems , 5 consec win needed ,leaves , etc.. )

To give you some examples of awesome waitings : in HA : waiting half an hour to form team ( ending taking blahks ..) to get an opponent 30mn after... ; you win any map at x.13 , you can be sure you wait until x.24 ; when you finally won hall , 3 consecutive 12.00 timers ;in GvG : trying to find an opponent at 10 am gmt , not having found it at 12... . If you consider leavings , dcs , etc... , thats not really fun.

That's why having some faster format ( like HB used to be ) would be much better for dead hours ....

sixdartbart · Aug 26, 2010, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by JR

It's amusing how quickly people forget all of the negatives, and how little they actually cared for it at the time.

Nostalgia, it's a powerful thing.

I still miss the way cap sigs use to work...

Mia Clemons · Aug 26, 2010, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Oh sure, lets bring Ursan and Shadow Form back, and while were at it, lets just remove Dhumm from UW and have Z-chest drop mini Polar Bears...

/notsigned for obvious reasons

Karate Jesus · Aug 26, 2010, 07:15 PM // 19:15

I miss HB too, but it isn't coming back. They're dedicated that that shithole of an arena that they added (Codex).

They'd rather fix Codex than bring back HB.

But, I'll /sign anyway.

Aba · Aug 26, 2010, 08:01 PM // 20:01

darcy sum'd it all up very well

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Most of the people who want HB back are the ones who were abusing it. So my opinion is don't waste the resources. There are more important things on which to work. Remember we only have a small Live Team and most of the GW players would prefer new content to bad PvP.

Lord Dagon · Aug 26, 2010, 08:30 PM // 20:30

/signed. I want RR day back.. i want mah zkeys

Elnino · Aug 26, 2010, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Same old crap. People talking as if they know how HB worked, even though they didn't bother with it at all. It had flaws, yes, but CA is just terrible compared to HB. Many of you guys NEVER read the HB Sub-forum. I can tell just by reading your responses. The people there were constantly brainstorming ideas on how to improve HB. What can be done to solve the issues, and they were all really good. The ideas that came from the HB community (the true community, not the RR abusers) would have definitely improved HB. Anet thought they were band-aids, but they weren't. The topics on the sub-forum changed from "how to help HB" to "how to exploit it" only AFTER Anet announced HB's removal. And even then, there was a brilliant thread by Massacre that would have saved HB, but I'm sure none of you guys read it.

How about a poll where people choose between HB AND TA or CA. HB and TA can't be chosen separately since they both met the same fate. I think it's obvious which option would win.

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

No, it wasn't.

I hate RA. I shouldn't be forced to play it when I have only a short amount of time left.

All your feelings for HB are YOUR opinion, not everyone's. Understand the fact that many other people enjoyed HB for what it was.

OH, and just to point out (again):RED RESIGN ONLY STARTED AFTER ANET SAID HB WOULD BE REMOVED

Shadar · Aug 26, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

/notsigned
I would much rather see Anet making some improvements to Codex and HA.

Stoneys Rock · Aug 26, 2010, 10:36 PM // 22:36

I'd like to see it back, I enjoyed it. Shame the heros were not the cleverest bunch. If you gave for example Tahlkora a spear and any monk spec, all of sudden the other teams mesmer keeps trying to cast ineptiude on her. It's amusing.

Anyway why can't they just stop resigning giving points/faction? No one says it has to give tournament points or title rank. Why can't it just be a minigame?

Bobby2 · Aug 26, 2010, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

There are things on their plate to be dealt with, and HB isn't likely to be one of them any time soon. TA has a better chance, though still slim, in case you're wondering.

Hope can be such a cruel mistress.

Pony Slaystation · Aug 26, 2010, 11:35 PM // 23:35

/notsigned

1. ANet has stated several times that they have no intentions of ever brining back HB. There is no need for these threads of people trying to get it back.

2.

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Only format showing real skill of the player

/roll doesn't take that much skill. There was too much corruption in the player base. There is no point in putting this back into the game if people are going to continue finding easy ways to get Balthazar faction and title points.

3. There are other things that the Live Team should be focusing on before even considering bringing back Hero Battles. There are skills that still need major reworks, and people are still waiting on Guild Wars Beyond updates (They kinda left us hanging with the missing Thackery dialogue). Keep in mind that putting Hero Battles back into place would require more time used for reworking skills simply to balance Hero Battles.

Chrisworld · Aug 27, 2010, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

lol Red Resigns

That's all I need to say.

Red Resigns people were referred to RRetards by me and my friends. I loved that day too. I did used to screenshot everyone who raged at me for not resigning being Red and by the end of the day I'd send a nice batch of SS to Anet with long description of how I was so offended by these people with poor attitudes. In a way I feel responsible for the fall of HB, along with others who did the same I did. Oh well... lol.

McMullen · Aug 27, 2010, 12:09 AM // 00:09

I would have preferred to have seen HB fixed rather than completely removed, there was plenty of valid suggestions as well when the removal was first announced but unfortunately they didn't matter.
HB had potential to be fun, and when it first came out it was fun until Red Resigns and the horrible meta kicked in.

If several changes are made to the format, then /signed. But I wouldn't like to see HB again as it was in its last days.

Lord Dagon · Aug 27, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Shadar

/notsigned
I would much rather see Anet making some improvements to Codex.

theres a saying"you can put a tux on a goat.. but its still a goat" no amount of work(besides total re-write will make that arena any good. Sorry but thats just true... all i needed to say

mathiastemplar · Aug 27, 2010, 01:29 AM // 01:29

/signed if they remove the Zquest linked to HB AND bring back TA too!!

tealspikes · Aug 27, 2010, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Howabout Unrated HB only? Those of us who played it for fun can still enjoy it, and those 'RRetards' will have nothing to abuse. Since there would be no rank/rating advancement you won't see so many lame capway or other superdefensive teams that made ladder play suck so much in the first place. And if you do come across them you can just leave without penalty.

The code is already there, and while it may not be such a simple matter of re-implementing it, I doubt it's anywhere near the amount of work and time compared to Anet's other projects (balancing dervs/gons, new pve content).